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Debra Conway	Wed Mar-04-09 09:07 PM
Member since Dec 31st 2002 1823 posts

#79605, "Moorman In The Street Essay by Josiah Thompson"

MOORMAN - IN - THE - STREET?

by Josiah Thompson

Preface

Try a simple experiment. Crank up Google and make a quick trip to the internet offerings on the Kennedy assassination. It’s like a visit to a carnival midway. Pitchman after pitchman is offering his or her wares. Over here you have somebody using a bad copy of the Zapruder film to show that Agent Greer turned around and shot JFK with a flashy chrome revolver. Over there is someone claiming George Bush was in Dealey Plaza or that Richard Nixon arranged the whole thing. Many film clips attempt to show that this or that photo from Dealey Plaza has been falsified by unknown conspirators. After a few minutes of this, you’ll come away convinced that the only way to keep up-to-date on developments in the case is by subscribing to one of the supermarket tabloids.

It wasn’t always like this. How did this change come about and what will be its likely outcome? I’ll try to answer the first question right off while leaving the second for the end of this essay.

In the years immediately after the assassination, things were different. There was no internet and there was an almost unanimous feeling in the country at large that the Warren Commission got it right. Those of us who questioned the official story were mindful of the larger picture and particularly careful to avoid mistakes. The early books on the assassination were carefully fact-checked and edited.. Mark Lane’s "Rush to Judgment" was worked over by numerous helpers in London, England. Edward Epstein’s book, "Inquest," started out as a master’s thesis at Cornell and hence was subject to scholarly discipline. For the rest of us... private individuals working on the assassination for a variety of reasons.. modesty of claim was the order of the day. We were willing... even eager... to have our claims vetted by other researchers. Those of us who challenged official opinion were meticulous about avoiding mistakes. Any mistake of fact or misinterpretation of evidence would be held against all of us. For this reason, articles or essays were fact-checked and discussed exhaustively before publication. Sylvia Meagher checked chapters of my "Six Seconds in Dallas" and I checked chapters of her "Accessories After the Fact," both before publication. Sylvia ended up doing the index for "Six Seconds."

Things are quite different now. The popularity of the internet and print-on-demand publishing have brought about a drop-off in research standards. There are exceptions. Books published by JFK Lancer, for example, are still fact-checked and copy-edited. But things took a decided turn for the worse with the publication of Professor Fetzer’s first book, "Assassination Science" in 1998. No longer was there a small community wherein opinions and theories could be vetted before publication. With a penchant for the tabloid style, Fetzer gave voice over the years to a number of researchers who competed with each other to produce dramatic (often outlandish) claims. As book followed book, Zapruder film alteration became the central focus of Fetzer’s promotion. Rather than doing research himself, Fetzer became the pitchman for this view. His tabloid style meant that nothing was checked in advance of publication. The basic idea was to publish first and ask questions later. This led to the collapse of many claims as soon as critical attention was paid to them.

Such was the fate of the claim that is the subject of this essay.

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Randy Owen	Wed Mar-04-09 11:26 PM
Member since Oct 30th 2004 1363 posts

#79608, "RE: Moorman In The Street Essay by Josiah Thompson"
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Thanks for posting this, Debra!

I have the utmost respect for "Tink" and his work. I can tell you exactly where I was when I bought the paperback version of "Six Seconds in Dallas" when it came out in 1975 or 1976. And I consider myself lucky to have found an original hardcover copy many years later.
I've never met the man, never talked to him, never wrote to him. But I do hope to meet him someday and get the book autographed.
I also have two audio cassettes from the mid-70's, of TV programs he appeared on. The followup "Goodnight America" Geraldo Rivera did after the original airing of the Zapruder film. Rivera devoted the entire show to the assassination, and I stayed up late that night to made the audio recording of it. Thompson's presentation that night was devastating to the official version. The other is of him on the "Tomorrow" show, hosted by Tom Snyder, when "Tink" was in Dealey Plaza with Hugh Aynesworth, while other guests sat with Tom in New York.

Thanks again, Debra, and thanks "Tink"!!!

Randy

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RE: Moorman In The Street Essay by Josiah Thompson, Josiah Thompson, Mar 06th 2009, #2

Josiah Thompson	Fri Mar-06-09 04:55 PM
Member since May 29th 2002 33 posts

#79644, "RE: Moorman In The Street Essay by Josiah Thompson"
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I wanted to stress that this essay is truly a joint project of Barb Junkkarinen, Bill Miller, Gary Mack, Craig Lamson and myself. We all were sick and tired of dealing with Professor Fetzer's bobbing and weaving on this issue for eight years. Instead of climbing in the gutter with Fetzer, we decided to put together the definitive treatment of the issue together with all the relevant documentary and photographic evidence. Debra was kind enough to put it up on Lancer and it is truly stunning here. The photo illustrations came out with really remarkable resolution.

I hope that what we have tried to do here can become a kind of model for thorough research of topics in the future. I wrote the essay and bear all responsibility for any errors. But it is really a product of a lot of hard work by all of us. I would be most interested to hear of any errors since we want to make the essay as perfect as we can.

Josiah Thompson

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Don Roberdeau	Thu Mar-12-09 02:57 PM
Member since May 25th 2002 950 posts

#79753, "RE: Moorman In The Street Essay by Josiah Thompson"
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....Thank You.... Hats off, and, really Top Notch Work extended for all of Team "Moorman-was-not-in-the-street-for-her-5th-photo"....

Simply, Outstanding.

IMHO, Always a non-issue with me, from its start, because the hypothesized, far-liberalized-with-its-shifting-to-fit-its-mistaken-assumptions-and-"facts," transparently-agendas-driven, condescending, oft times arrogant, edu-tard-elitist-spun claims of the proffered "facts" were, all, transparent to the vast majority of dedicated and macro-and-micro-facts-educated JFK researchers, from its very sloppy dropping by its heirs........ or........ as the solid, life-lessons educated, steadily working, rational, non-agendas-driven, never-psychotically-over-obsessed-with-injecting-politics, solid-facts-driven, dedicated researchers have said and will say, the "Mwnitsfh5p was, always, nothing but stinking B***S*** when the sun first rose on it."

Its sun has finally set.

**a suggestion for whomever developed the first question in the poll on the Education Forum....IMHO, Please, next time, think about providing only 2 clearly defined answers.... A simple answer choice of "On the grass," and, a choice of, "in the street," would be much, much clearer and more definitive (if they are unsure and/or do not care, the voter can always come back to the poll and vote, if, and when, they are able to actually make a decision).... As it stands now at 21 votes, there are 16 total votes that have a clearly definitive answer....

88 % ....On the grass (14 votes)
12 % ....in the street (02)

Let us move solidly forward (for example, defining and supporting the timestamping of when President KENNEDY was first bullet impacted), so you and your precious time will avoid being immobilized by the Mwnitsfh5p shifting airs.... and its heirs-transparent.

Again, Gr8 job !

Best Regards in Research,

Don

Don Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, "Big John," Plank Walker
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