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Debra ConwaySat Mar-24-07 06:02 PM
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#56887, "Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone"
Sun May-20-07 01:06 PMby Debra Conway

  

          

Below is a link to the new article in Rolling Stone on the claims of St. John Hunt, E. Howard Hunt's son, knew the complete plot to assassinate JFK as Hunt met with Sturgis and was asked to participate. Oh, and he turned them down. In reality, there is no proof that Hunt and Sturgis knew each other in 1963 and for crying out loud, it is obvious that both Hunt and his son have read lots of conspiracy books. Follow the money indeed.

Just to let you guys know, the claim that Kevin Costner blew his interview with EHH is utterly false. I was in contact with his production partner during that time and know the true story. I also got an email from them today with a copy of what was sent to Rolling Stone in refutation. JFK Lancer and Larry Hancock will be writing a letter to the editor of RS.

I look forward to you comments.

Best,

Debra

PS: Please keep reading this thread for more on whether Hunt and Sturgis knew each other.



The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt

He was the ultimate keeper of secrets, lurking in the shadows of American history. He toppled banana republics, planned the Bay of Pigs invasion and led the Watergate break-in. Now he would reveal what he'd always kept hidden: who killed JFK

ERIK HEDEGAARD


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt/1

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Anthony FrankSat Mar-24-07 07:58 PM
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#56893, "RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone"
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Sun Mar-25-07 04:18 AMby Anthony Frank

          

The article states that Hunt’s son “had been a meth addict for twenty years, a meth dealer for ten of those years,” and had come to Miami “borrowing money to fly because he was broke.”

“At the moment, Saint doesn’t have a job; his felonies have gotten in the way. He has to borrow money to put gas in his Cutlass. Beach chairs substitute for furniture in the tiny apartment where, until recently, he lived with an ex-girlfriend, herself a reformed meth addict, and two kids, one hers, one theirs.”

“In 2001, on the heels of two drug busts, Saint decided to go straight. With his ex-girlfriend, their daughter and her son, he stayed in a series of shelters.”

After reading this claptrap, I’ve got just one question: Can’t that little puke talk without using expletives? And considering what it said about the alleged conversation between Hunt Junior and Kevin Costner, Costner should sue Hunt and Rolling Stone.

For better reading, please see “The Dog That Solved The JFK Assassination.”

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=56857&mesg_id=56857&page=

Tony

The entire cover up was contingent upon a phony autopsy report and fabricated autopsy photos.

  

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Richard J SmithSat Mar-24-07 08:31 PM
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#56896, "RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone"
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"In reality, there is no proof that Hunt and Sturgis knew each other in 1963"

You really don't think Hunt and Sturgis knew each other in '63?

  

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RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone, Larry Hancock, Mar 24th 2007, #3
RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone, Debra Conway, Mar 24th 2007, #4
RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone, JimStubbs_1234, Nov 23rd 2007, #58
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RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone, Tim Carroll, Mar 24th 2007, #5
      RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone, Debra Conway, Mar 25th 2007, #6
           RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone, Anthony Frank, Mar 25th 2007, #7
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           RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone, Richard J Smith, Mar 26th 2007, #9
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#56992, "RE: David on RS website"
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david hunt | 3/24/2007, 1:16 am EST

The LA Times dismissed this “evidence” as inconclusive. Funny thing is they never examined it beyond a glimpse. 60 minutes on the other hand had hand writting analysis done on the notes….. no funny business found, its the real deal.When we decided to make this information public I knew that both my brother and I would be under suspicion. That is exactly why I brought Eric Hamberg on board to inspect the evidence, speak with my father and put some of these important pieces together. Eric Hamburg would have no interest in deceiving the american public. He was almost solely responsible for getting JFK documents
declassified. I think the new Rolling Stone story was exceptional. More to come soon.

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RE: David on RS website, Robert Christensen, Mar 27th 2007, #17
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Debra ConwayThu May-17-07 05:34 PM
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#58524, "RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone"
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Folks,

David Giammarco has agreed to go over his entire experience with Hunt Sr. at our November conference in Dallas this year. We may well know the truth about Hunt's involvement or knowledge of the JFK assassination at last.

Best,

Debra

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Will RuhaSat May-19-07 06:13 PM
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#58629, "RE: Howard Hunt's son in Rolling Stone: Hunt knew Sturg..."
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Debra,

While Saint John Hunt's background as an admitted ex-drug-addled meth user with apparent insolvency might cast doubt upon his motives, it does not altogether preclude his version being factual to the best of his recollection and recounting. Although I have not yet reviewed the written version of his accounting (I heard him on radio), it is allegedly buttressed by longhand notation and audiotaped confession from his notorious father, albeit, I shall reserve further comment until opportunity presents itself to review these materials.

But more to the point, I must take issue with your contention that "In reality, there is no proof that Hunt and Sturgis knew each other in 1963."

Quite the contrary, there appears to be compelling evidence that the soi-disant "Eduardo" of Bay of Pigs infamy and Fiorini-Sturgis had a long, close, personal and professional relationship that pre-dated the Dallas assassination by several decades and therefore underscores allegations of complicity in covert intelligence operations that may extend from Guzman's overthrow in Guatemala in 1954, to the JFK-assassination-related break-in of the Democratic Party National headquarters at Watergate in 1972.
In the twisted world of intelligence operations wherein various inversions and arabesques, duplicitious statements and duplicate operatives are standard fare, almost nothing is ever transparently obvious.
As an example, for years journalists and conspiracy researchers have suggested or outright claimed that self-described “solider of fortune,” Frank Fiorini, changed his name to that of Sturgis based upon the lead character in E. Howard Hunt’s 1949 novel, Bimini Run.
Considering that Fiorini changed his name in 1952, such an assumption posits either a deep and lasting impression made by Hunt’s novel on Fiorini’s consciousness, or a close personal relationship that pre-dates not only the 1972 break-in of Democratic Party National Headquarters at the Watergate complex in Washington D.C., but involvement in various U.S. intelligence operations, most notably, the 1961 Cuban Bay of Pigs invasion and possibly several others, including the 1954 overthrow of Guzman in Guatemala.
Unfortunately, for conspiracy advocates, the claim seems to have been discredited by the fact that the name of Fiorini’s male guardian, his mother’s new husband, beginning in 1937, was that of Ralph Sturgis. End of story.
Or so, conventional wisdom would have it.

But consider an inversion, that quite the contrary of Frank Fiorini changing his surname based on the fictional character, Hank Sturgis, in E. Howard Hunt’s 1949 novel, Bimini Run, the opposite is true and that Hunt in fact based his fictional hero, Hank Sturgis on the character and exploits of his long-time friend and intelligence associate, Frank Fiorini, before Fiorini subsequently decided to adopt his stepfather’s name Sturgis in 1952. If true, this would underscore a long, close, personal and professional relationship between a confessed conspirator in the JFK assassination and a subject long accussed of complicity in the killing.
Consider this:
At birth, the name of Hunt’s friend and intelligence associate was Frank Angelo Fiorini. In 1937, when Fiorini was 12 years old, his mother divorced his father and married Ralph Sturgis.
In 1942, Fiorini joined the U.S. Marines, beginning his government service. According to several sources, the relationship between E. Howard Hunt and Frank Fiorini (a.k.a. “Sturgis”) dated to around this time, when the two met in Guadalcanal in 1943, Fiorini, a combatant, and Hunt, a Word War II correspondent.
In 1949 Hunt penned Bimini Run, whose protagonist, pipe-smoking Henry Reed “Hank” Sturgis, is doubtless a fictionalized composite of the author and Frank Fiorini. Aside from the similarity of names: Hank Sturgis and Frank Sturgis, there are simply too many parallels for this to have been anything but fictionalized biography based on intimate knowledge of a close friend and comrade.
For example: in Bimini Run, Sturgis is an ex-Marine trained at Parris Island. Coincidentally, Frank Fiorini, son of Ralph Sturgis, happened to be an ex-Marine also trained at Parris Island.
In the novel, Sturgis’ wartime experience included action in the Far East including "the Canal," with wounds suffered during combat and subsequent hospitalization after the war. In real life, Fiorini fought in Iwo Jima, Okinawa and Guadalcanal, suffering wounds with a resulting scar to his right wrist, and hospitalization following the war.
Hunt portrayed his character as an expert marksman, a trait that was also true of Fionrini at the time.
Hunt characterized his protagonist, Sturgis, as a gambler. According to FBI reports, Fiorini’s ex-wife, Juanita Terrell, described her husband as “involved in gambling activity.” As Frank Sturgis, Fiorini’s gambling acumen so impressed Fidel Castro as to justify the Cuban leader’s offer to make him head of casino operations in a post-Batista Cuba.
In the 1949 novel, Sturgis frequented the Gulfstream Race Track, the same track that employed Fiorini.
In the plot of Bimini Run, Sturgis is well acquainted with Andros Island, yet another fact of Frank Fiorini’s true life exploits.
Hunt’s fictional character lived in Miami. Discharged in 1945, Fiorini lived in Miami, where, according to his later testimony before the Rockefeller Commission, he first began to be involved with Cubans in terms of Cuban political affairs. The fluently Spanish-speaking Hunt, employed by the CIA’s precursor, the Office of Strategic Services, was so immersed in Cuban affairs as to be assigned by the CIA to Mexico City as Station Chief in 1950, the strategic operations locus for Cuban affairs under the agency’s charter of foreign-based exploits.
In the novel, Hank Sturgis was employed as a bartender. Returning to Virgina after living in Miami, Fiorini joined the Norfolk Police Force for three years, concurrently managing two bars, and more tellingly, adopting what was to eventually become more than a dozen aliases and three code names, making frequent return trips to Cuba, most likely for U.S. intelligence. In 1946, Fiorini was manager of the Virginia Tavern on East Main Street, in Norfolk Virginia. In 1948, he joined the Naval Reserve. The following year, at the time Bimini Run was brought to press and Hank Sturgis made his debut, Frank Fiorini, son of Ralph Sturgis, was back in Norfolk as owner and manager of the Whitehorse Tavern on East Main Street, before joining the Merchant Marine, shipping out to Europe and back. In 1950, Fiorini was with yet another branch of the U.S. military, surfacing in Germany as a member of yet the U.S. Army serving two years, only to once more return to nightclub management, this time in Virginia Beach in a capacity that often serves as an intelligence cover.
During this time, on September 23, 1952, he filed a petition in the Circuit Court of the City of Norfolk (Virginia) to change his name to Frank Anthony Sturgis.
Thus, as Frank Sturgis he become active in Cuban affairs in the Sierra Maestra, working for the CIA in Cuba from 1956 to 1961, entrusting himself to Fidel Castro in the Sierra Maestra, with various missions into Miami, Mexico, Venezuela, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Panama, Honduras, and the Bahamas – the entire landscape of Carribean and Latin American Cold War hot spots. In his various intelligence missions, Sturgis was involved in gunrunning to Cuba and was arrested on July 30th 1958 for illegal possession of arms, but was released without charge. The following year, he contacted Lewis McWillie, the manager of the Tropicana Casino. After Castro gained control of Cuba, Sturgis formed the Anti-Communist Brigade. Hans, Tanner, in his book, Counter-Revolutionary Agent, claims that the organization was "being financed by dispossessed hotel and gambling owners" who operated under Fulgencio Batista.
In 1959 Sturgis became involved with Marita Lorenz, mistress to Fidel Castro, and was subsequently recruited by Sturgis in January 1960, in an attempt to poison Castro. At this time, Sturgis was involved in helping the CIA organize the Bay of Pigs invasion.
Hunt was of course, intimately involved in the same operation, by his own admission, stating: “the CIA was given the responsibility of a twofold action against Cuba. There was the psychological warfare branch which I headed , and the paramilitary which oversaw the training that took place in Guatemala. My responsibility was to form and manage the future government of Cuba. At that point I formed the Cuban government-in-exile with Manuel Artime. I had told them to meet me in my safe house in Coconut Grove. . . I did go to Cuba . . .it was 1959 . . .” etc.

I could be wrong, but I believe it is safe to conclude that fictional Hank Sturgis and factual Frank Sturgis are virtually one-in-the-same, and that E. Howard Hunt’s 1949 protagonist is virtually point-by-point a construction of the traits, character, background and experiences of Frank Fiorini a.k.a. "Sturgis," a close personal friend who Hunt knew during or shortly after World War II, and who subsequently served with Hunt in various intelligence operations long before Watergate and long before the tragic events of November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas.

  

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David HowardThu Jun-07-07 08:04 PM
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Paul NicholasSun Jun-24-07 12:44 PM
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Marita Lorenz tells the story of travelling from Miami to Dallas in the company of Frank Sturgis and others, where they met E. Howard Hunt who handed out money to them. She claims that she returned to Miami when she found out what they were up to, and that when she met Sturgis again after the assassination he told her that he had been part of the conspiracy to kill the president.
EHH was quite willing to use his kids as alibi witnesses in one of the stories he used in his defamation action against Spotlight. It is quite plausible that EHH would have given his children a story that could be turned into cash. The only problem I have with this story is that it relies on an accomplished 'black operator' suddenly becoming massively incompetent and indiscrete. The subsequent 'outing' by his former CIA employers did nothing to undermine Hunt's ability to avoid any official investigation into his activities in late November 1963. It is bizarre that Hunt survived more than 40 years without having to explain where he was and what he was doing between 17-22 November 1963. Haldeman's explanation that Hunt's blackmail of Nixon after the Watergate break-in was not over the Bay of Pigs as Hunt asserted, but rather 'Bay of Pigs' was code for the Kennedy Assassination. The story becomes even more confused when we find George HW Bush and Democrat John Connally in the Nixon White House and Frank Sturgis among the burglars. Assassination researchers would love to have seen Hunt questioned under oath by the HSCA but it was never going to happen.

  

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