http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=40274&mesg_id=40274&page=4

I have been a longtime lurker of this forum, finding it to be an excellent source for info regarding the assassination. I was particularly fascinated and amused by the way the last two Warren Commission bs artists (Dave Von Pein and Nick Kendrick) were thorougly trounced by astute forum members (notably Mr. Teachout} on every topic they tried to spin. They currently haunt the Internet Movie Data base forum for the movie JFK, offering their recycled lone gunman formula to an overall less informed audience. Anyway, I linked to the Lancer post that showed images from the documentary that clearly demonstrate the impossibility of the SBT, ie bullet exiting the chest instead of throat, dramatic distortion of the test bullet. Their "response" was as typical as it was comical: Dale Myers computer animation proves the SBT is the only explanation, no other bullets were found in the bodies or limo, the wounds in Kennedy and Connally line up "almost perfectly" fot the SBT, etc. etc. I mean, the documentary actually proves the opposite! How funny is that?

> >What WAS proven : >What WAS proven :
>2) You can design a computer animation to show that the SBT
>was possible. By placing the subject's wherever you choose to
>place them at any given time, as well as taking license with
>the actual wound locations.
>

Todd,

WHAT WAS PROVEN,

As you say you can use a computer animation to prove almost anything
if you use the wrong data to produce the animation. What was also
proven is that it is much more difficult to try and reproduce
a result when you at least try to use real life situations, with
something at least resembling the facts as they exited at the time.

My conclusion is that in the case of the SBT it was a real life
situation not an animated cartoon and therefore nobody has been
able to reproduce a similar result using the actual physical facts
of the shooting, the ballastic, and the medical and autopsy evidence.

Gary

The thing that struck me most about the Discover Channel special wasn't bullet trajectory, the alignment of the torsos, angles, or anything like that, it was the undeniable fact that the projectile's energy was completely spent by the time it exited the Connelly torso and clearly incapable of generating any further wounds, much less two more punctures and a relatively high-speed deflection off the radius.

The "researchers" tried to excuse that away by claiming it hit two ribs instead of one, but it still didn't add up (at least not to me).

Further, the bullet was NOT "nearly pristine, like CE399", as they claimed. It was mangled.

It was apparent the "researchers" were trying to prove the SBT instead of objectively researching it and drawing conclusions based solely on their findings....and that was disappointing.

I have just returned from Dallas, and having watched this program, I noticed two more things. If you have ever been up to the "sixth floor", you would realize how really cramped that corner is. The window is recessed, and is divided into actually two windows in one window openning. The angle is extremely sharp to get the shot angle needed for any shots to be fired where they needed to be. In the program, the "pro" shooter is in an unobstructed cradle of a boom crane. I have watched the path of their bullet, and it exits the Kennedy block someplace in the mid-chest, nowhere near the neck. Other ommitted comments could be that CE # 399 could not be identified by the Parkland staff who found it when they were asked about it, and that the back wound at autopsy was a wound with no exit path. Maybe what this program really showed was how CE #399 was actually created to begin with!

I don't know how long it's been since this topic has been
posted to, or how often it has been checked. But, as an add
on to the general topic, I was wondering if anybody had seen
the re-creation of the SBT on Mythbusters? Using the same
data to do their own one-shot test, they almost accurately
reproduced the results of the Kennedy shooting. I'm not
saying that it was perfect, but almost so. Of course, it
wasn't as highly publicized as the original show you've been
discussing, but it IS another attempt at proving the SBT. I
don't know when it aired or even which season it was, but
with the resources of the internet and some time I'm sure
anyone interested could view the results of that show.

I myself believe it MAY have been one shooter... but was it
Oswald? I don't know, and as convoluted as the evidence trail
is, the true answer may never be found. There are too many
theories and not enough actual evidence... clear evidence...
to prove/disprove many of them. I hope someone else has seen
this program, or else the government has been feeding me
subliminal messages and making me believe things that I think
I saw.

The biggest problem I had was with Meyers smugness!! He basically says that anyone that doesn't buy into the Wc's theory or HIS computer animation is an idiot. With his computer he places JC 6 inches inboard and 6 inches down. By looking at the picture below it is CLEAR that JC is NOT sitting 6 inches lower than JFK! I hate to burst Meyers bubble, but with a computer I could show that the shots were fired from the moon and were deflected off the space shuttle!!!

Attachment #1, (jpg file)

Thats a great picture Anthony!! And Richard I can only find one problem with your diagram, if you look at the limo the picture was taken at an angle (note the door handles) but your line is dranw in a straight angle making the height appear to be more than it really was, I think if you drew the lines along the same angle as the picture was taken it would be quit different, and it would still show that Meyers computer animated theory of 6 inches in and 6 inches to the right to be way off. The second picture I believe only shows how low the jump seat can actually be set.

I'm sorry Richard I could be mistaken but I thought the jump seats were adjustable, if they weren't the pictures of JC and JFK have to be very misleading, where there is only a small difference between JC's head and JFK's head, if that 2nd picture is the only way the jump seat set, that would mean JC would have to tower over JFK by many inches, the only part of my argument that falls short is that I don't have JFK and JC's height to compare.

Well Gary the only problem I have is that I don't know WHEN he was shot. If one were to believe the WC, they give the time (Zapruder frame) that they think he was hit, JC himself was in conflict saying he was hit by a later shot. So here I am stuck in the middle without actually knowing!! LOL

Back on topic, my biggest problem with the SBT and the "lone" gunman theory, is the one thing I don't believe the WC or anybody has tried to explain. WHY did two exact bullets from the same batch of ammo act so differently, one shot penatrates 2 bodies causing 7 wounds and comes out only slighky deformed, while 1 shot hits the head and explodes on impact, TOTALY INCONSISTENT for what the round (6.5 mm) was designed to do.