Consider that the 'ghost images' in between the sprockets on the Zapruder film are from reflections initially entering the camera by the deposited image being on the inside curvature of the lense housing. That is how one can see the blackdogman at the wall on the knoll with the rifle as the JFK limousine leaves Dealey Plaza. That is also how you see Gordon Arnold falling behind this shooter dressed in his military uniform and overseas cap. The lens housing is being pointed above the heads of these two people by Zapruder and therefore does not show these people in the main body of his film exposures. Please confirm that the black inside curvature of the the lense housing is shiny enough to reflect images.



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Wasn't it proven years ago that the blackdog man/Arnold as seen in the Zapruder film is simply the leaves on a nearby Pyracantha (sp?) bush?

Paul,

Without knowing what images Charles is referring to, I can't really comments.

I first encountered the notion of an assassin being accidentally captured in the Zapruder film in the writings of Groden. Robert Groden cited frame Z-413 as showing at the bottom edge a man's head and a possible rifle. He also reported possible activity behind the picket fence at the tail end of the Zapruder film.

Most researchers now believe that the "rifle" in Z-413 is just an image of the branches and that the head is that of Emmett Hudson or one of the other men on the steps as shown in the Muchmore film.

I have seen less discussion on the possible movements behind the picket fence at the end of the film. (I recall a JFKLancer poster providing an interesting image from the sprocket holes that could be "interpreted" as being human forms and movement, but closer thought indicated that the figures in question were moving much too quickly and appeared to be floating in space.)

The Z-413 image is not in the sprocket holes area. I would be interested in seeing what images are being referred to.

Bruce

>Wasn't it proven years ago that the blackdog man/Arnold as
>seen in the Zapruder film is simply the leaves on a nearby
>Pyracantha (sp?) bush?


Hello, Paul.

Years ago Robert Groden put forth that the BDM (Black Dog Man) may have been seen in the Zapruder film. Critics right away claimed that the image in the pyracantha bush was just leaves and light tricks created by the sun shining off the pyracantha bush. A few years back or so I addressed this with Robert Groden and told him how I could show both he and his critics wrong.

It was obvious to me that the BDM was inside the walkway area for this is established by the Betzner, Willis and Moorman photographs. (see below)


I then asked Robert to take a position near the corner of the wall where he thought BDM would be seen through the pyracantha bush. Robert chose a spot right up against the south dog leg, as I call it. (see below)


Next I had Groden move to a position that matched the distance from the camera that the figure seen through the pyracantha bush would be seen. That position took Robert over the steps and out on the knoll where Emmett Hudson stood during the shooting. (see below)


I then checked what the critics had said about the image being mere lighting and foliage tricks caused by the sun shining off the pyracantha bush. By stabilizing the appropriate Zapruder frames, I could see that the figure pulls away from the foliage and had nothing to do with the pyracantha bush itself ... other than being seen through it of course. The figure also is turning his head in correlation with the limo passing by below on the street. (see below)


By going to the Nix film and watching the men on the steps and what they did during those moments in time, it was obvious to me that only Emmett Hudson in his light colored cap was the figure seen through the pyracantha bush. Just as Emmett is going off screen in this version of the Nix film ... we can see him turning back and watching the limo pass by below him. This is the same thing the figure in the Zfilm was doing. (see below)


The final analysis was that Robert Groden was mistaken about who the mystery person in the pyracantha bush was because he failed to see the depth at which this individual had to be over the knoll combinded with the distance needed for him to be from Zapruder's camera to appear the was he does in the Zfilm.

Robert's critics were even more in error than he was. They were not just in error about the image Robert spoke of being nothing more than mere tricks of light shining off the leaves of the pyracantha bush, but they were also in error for not taking a good responsible look at what Robert was saying rather than just quickly and half heartedly looking for an easy excuse to avoid being confronted with a possible second assassin, thus leading to a conspiracy. The latter remark I made is the most important part of this whole 'mystery man seen through the pyracantha bush' inquiry IMO. Critics of there being a conspiracy have often shown a pattern of avoiding witnesses and lines of inquiries that may lead to there being a conspiracy in JFK's murder. I feel that some were so afraid of acknowledging a gunman on the knoll that they refused to look at the possibility in any depth. The same was done with Gordon Arnold IMO. Had those critics of recognized Gordon Arnold as the BDM, then they would have to at least admit Gordon was where he said he was which then leads to having to deal with Gordon saying that a shot came past his left ear. Once again, critics took the easy way out by not making the connection between the figure in Moorman's polaroid and the BDM in the Betzner and Willis photos. By doing the latter they avoided the possibilty of having to address there really being a conspiracy in Kennedy's assassination. Like with the gunsmoke coming from the fence as seen by witnesses, they say it must have been car exhaust, it must have come from a steam pipe over 100 feet away, etc.. The smell of burnt gunpowder was a figment of everyone's imagination, the smell of burnt gunpowder must have drifted down from the 6th floor of the TSBD towards the RR yard (despite the wind blowing from the RR yard to the TSBD), the pattern of easy dismissal without properly investigating the facts has been and still is an approach that some people still chose to take today. I was no genius for looking at Groden's observation the way I did, but I was willing to let the chips fall where they may. One must ask why the critics didn't do as I did? I think I no the answer for some of those critics behavior on such matters ... it's like the saying goes ... "If you ask me no questions, then I'll tell you no lies".

Bill Miller
JFK assassination researcher/investigator

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Excellent work Bill! May I put this on the Lancer main site?

Thanks,

Debra

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Not Black Dog man, but the "helmet man".

Sincerely,

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The blackdogman guy is shown in several frames but Z475 is the one I like. The ghost image is on the lower portion of the film between the sprockets. What you see of this guy is what you would have seen if you were standing on the pedestal with Zapruder and looking down at the guy at the wall. He is standing and you see the left side of the person, his head, his shoulder and an object connecting to both hands. Then for one frame you see Gordon Arnold at Z477 which is the same ghost image area that BDM occupied two frames earlier. You can make a little movie of this area and you will see BDM moving around alittle and then Arnold falling behind him.


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I found these questions on a website that someone noted about the sproket;

Why does the intersprocket image of the motorcycle skip around? Why is the intersprocket image darker after about Z235? Why do so many odd features occur within the intersprocket area? Why is the intersprocket image missing in frames Z413 and 414?

Check out this link. It says it all about the sprocket.

http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh/zapruder.htm

>The blackdogman guy is shown in several frames but Z475 is
>the one I like. The ghost image is on the lower portion of the
>film between the sprockets. What you see of this guy is what
>you would have seen if you were standing on the pedestal with
>Zapruder and looking down at the guy at the wall. He is
>standing and you see the left side of the person, his head,
>his shoulder and an object connecting to both hands. Then for
>one frame you see Gordon Arnold at Z477 which is the same
>ghost image area that BDM occupied two frames earlier. You
>can make a little movie of this area and you will see BDM
>moving around alittle and then Arnold falling behind him.

Charles, let's think this through for a moment. Go look at Groden in the posted test image I did and notice how large he is in front of the Elm Street background (#41158, "RE: Let's define What's in the sprocket area".) The sprocket holes recorded images in real size and they can be found elsewhere on the Zapruder film if one looks hard enough.



In addition, compare the size of what you are calling the BDM to that of one of the spindly tree trunks along the fence ... do you see the problem? That artifact is far too small to be anyone on the walkway. I agree with Bill, read Marsh's article to better understand what you are seeing.

Bill

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